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1140 THE VAGRAKKHEDIKA as no-belief by the Tath^gata. And this is learned by children and ignorant persons ; and they who were preached as children and ignorant persons, O Subhuti, were preached as no-persons by the Tathagata, and therefore they are called children and ignorant persons.' (25) XXVI. * What do you think then, O Subhuti, is the Tathagata to be seen (known) by the possession of signs?' SubhCiti said: 'Not indeed, O Bhagavat. So far as I know the meaning of the preaching of the Bhagavat, the Tathagata is not to be seen (known) by the possession of signs.' Bhagavat said: ' Good, good, SubhCiti, so it is, Subhuti ; so it is, as you say; a Tathagata is not to be seen (known) by the possession of signs. And why ? Because, O Subhuti, if the Tathagata were to be seen (known) by the possession of signs, a wheel-turning king also would be a Tathagata ^ ; therefore a Tathagata is not to be seen (known) by the possession of signs.' The venerable Subhuti spoke thus to the Bhagavat : ' As I understand the meaning of the preaching of the Bhagavat, a Tathdgata is not to be seen (known) by the possession of signs.' Then the Bhagavat at that moment preached these two Gdthas : They who saw me by form, and they who heard me by sound, They engaged in false endeavours, will not see me. ' This prohahly refers to the ausjjicious signs discovered in .Sakyaniuni at his birth, which left it open whether lie should become a king or a iJuddha.
2OR DIAMOND-CUTTER. I4I A Buddha is to be seen (known) from the Law ; for the Lords (Buddhas) have the Law-body; And the nature of the Law cannot be understood, nor can it be made to be understood. (26) XXVIL 'What do you think then, O Subhuti, has the highest perfect knowledge been known by the Tathagata through the possession of signs ? You should not think so, O Subhuti. And why ? Because, O Subhuti, the highest perfect knowledge would not be known by the Tathagata through the possession of signs. Nor should anybody, O Subhuti, say to you that the destruction or annihilation of any thing is proclaimed by those who have entered on the path of the Bodhisattvas.' (27) XXVIIL ' And if, O Subhuti, a son or a daughter of a good family were to fill worlds equal to the number of grains of sand of the river Gariga with the seven treasures, and give them as a gift to holy and fully enlightened Tathagatas ; and if a Bodhisattva acquired endurance in selfless and uncreated things, then the latter will on the strength of this produce a larger stock of merit, immeasurable and innumerable. * But, O Subhuti, a stock of merit should not be appropriated by a noble-minded Bodhisattva. The venerable Subhuti said : ' Should a stock of merit, O Bhagavat, not be appropriated by a Bodhisattva ? Bhagavat said : ' It shoidd be appropriated, O Subhuti ; it should not be appropriated ; and therefore it is said : It should be appropriated.' (28)
3142 THE VAGRAKKHEDIKA XXIX. * And again, O Subliiiti, if anybody were to say that the Tathagata goes, or comes, or stands, or sits, or hes down, he, O Subhuti, does not understand the meaning of my preaching. And why ? Because the word Tathagata means one who does not go to anywhere, and does not come from anywhere ; and therefore he is called the Tathagata (truly come), holy and fully enlightened.' (29) XXX. ' And again, O Subhuti, if a son or a daughter of a good family were to take as many worlds as there are grains of earth-dust in this sphere of a million millions of worlds, and reduce them to such fine dust as can be made with immeasurable strength, like what is called a mass of the smallest atoms, do you think, O Subhuti, would that be a mass of many atoms ? ' Subhuti said : ' Yes, Bhagavat, yes, Sugata, that would be a mass of many atoms. And why ? Because, O Bhagavat. if it were a mass of many atoms, Bhagavat would not call it a mass of many atoms. And why ? Because, what was preached as a mass of many atoms by the Tathagata, that was preached as no-mass of atoms by the Tathagata ; and therefore it is called a mass of many atoms. And what was preached by the Tathagata as the sphere of a million millions of worlds, that was preached by the Tathagata as no-sphere of worlds ; and therefore it is called the sphere of a million millions of worlds. And why ? Because, C) Bhagavat, if there were a sphere of worlds, there would exist a belief in matter ; and what was preached as a belief in matter b)- the Tathagata, that was
The source text as printed, transcribed diplomatically. Where the source language uses a non-Latin script that reaches us only through a Victorian romanisation, this layer is labelled transliteration, because that is what we hold.
Romanised transliteration as printed by the translator, not the original script. This is what we hold.
1140 THE VAGRAKKHEDIKA as no-belief by the Tath^gata. And this is learned by children and ignorant persons ; and they who were preached as children and ignorant persons, O Subhuti, were preached as no-persons by the Tathagata, and therefore they are called children and ignorant persons.' (25) XXVI. * What do you think then, O Subhuti, is the Tathagata to be seen (known) by the possession of signs?' SubhCiti said: 'Not indeed, O Bhagavat. So far as I know the meaning of the preaching of the Bhagavat, the Tathagata is not to be seen (known) by the possession of signs.' Bhagavat said: ' Good, good, SubhCiti, so it is, Subhuti ; so it is, as you say; a Tathagata is not to be seen (known) by the possession of signs. And why ? Because, O Subhuti, if the Tathagata were to be seen (known) by the possession of signs, a wheel-turning king also would be a Tathagata ^ ; therefore a Tathagata is not to be seen (known) by the possession of signs.' The venerable Subhuti spoke thus to the Bhagavat : ' As I understand the meaning of the preaching of the Bhagavat, a Tathdgata is not to be seen (known) by the possession of signs.' Then the Bhagavat at that moment preached these two Gdthas : They who saw me by form, and they who heard me by sound, They engaged in false endeavours, will not see me. ' This prohahly refers to the ausjjicious signs discovered in .Sakyaniuni at his birth, which left it open whether lie should become a king or a iJuddha.
2OR DIAMOND-CUTTER. I4I A Buddha is to be seen (known) from the Law ; for the Lords (Buddhas) have the Law-body; And the nature of the Law cannot be understood, nor can it be made to be understood. (26) XXVIL 'What do you think then, O Subhuti, has the highest perfect knowledge been known by the Tathagata through the possession of signs ? You should not think so, O Subhuti. And why ? Because, O Subhuti, the highest perfect knowledge would not be known by the Tathagata through the possession of signs. Nor should anybody, O Subhuti, say to you that the destruction or annihilation of any thing is proclaimed by those who have entered on the path of the Bodhisattvas.' (27) XXVIIL ' And if, O Subhuti, a son or a daughter of a good family were to fill worlds equal to the number of grains of sand of the river Gariga with the seven treasures, and give them as a gift to holy and fully enlightened Tathagatas ; and if a Bodhisattva acquired endurance in selfless and uncreated things, then the latter will on the strength of this produce a larger stock of merit, immeasurable and innumerable. * But, O Subhuti, a stock of merit should not be appropriated by a noble-minded Bodhisattva. The venerable Subhuti said : ' Should a stock of merit, O Bhagavat, not be appropriated by a Bodhisattva ? Bhagavat said : ' It shoidd be appropriated, O Subhuti ; it should not be appropriated ; and therefore it is said : It should be appropriated.' (28)
3142 THE VAGRAKKHEDIKA XXIX. * And again, O Subliiiti, if anybody were to say that the Tathagata goes, or comes, or stands, or sits, or hes down, he, O Subhuti, does not understand the meaning of my preaching. And why ? Because the word Tathagata means one who does not go to anywhere, and does not come from anywhere ; and therefore he is called the Tathagata (truly come), holy and fully enlightened.' (29) XXX. ' And again, O Subhuti, if a son or a daughter of a good family were to take as many worlds as there are grains of earth-dust in this sphere of a million millions of worlds, and reduce them to such fine dust as can be made with immeasurable strength, like what is called a mass of the smallest atoms, do you think, O Subhuti, would that be a mass of many atoms ? ' Subhuti said : ' Yes, Bhagavat, yes, Sugata, that would be a mass of many atoms. And why ? Because, O Bhagavat. if it were a mass of many atoms, Bhagavat would not call it a mass of many atoms. And why ? Because, what was preached as a mass of many atoms by the Tathagata, that was preached as no-mass of atoms by the Tathagata ; and therefore it is called a mass of many atoms. And what was preached by the Tathagata as the sphere of a million millions of worlds, that was preached by the Tathagata as no-sphere of worlds ; and therefore it is called the sphere of a million millions of worlds. And why ? Because, C) Bhagavat, if there were a sphere of worlds, there would exist a belief in matter ; and what was preached as a belief in matter b)- the Tathagata, that was
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